1 00:01:30,883 --> 00:01:33,343 INTERVIEWER: Do you feel like the U.S. government 2 00:01:33,427 --> 00:01:37,677 has told you the full truth about what really happened and why? 3 00:01:37,765 --> 00:01:42,935 I don't think they've told anybody the whole truth. 4 00:01:43,020 --> 00:01:48,860 The whole truth lies with the people that were there. 5 00:01:48,943 --> 00:01:50,863 They hold the truth. 6 00:02:10,798 --> 00:02:14,218 NARRATOR: The killing of Kiki Camarena in 1985 7 00:02:14,301 --> 00:02:16,931 sent shockwaves through the DEA. 8 00:02:17,012 --> 00:02:21,682 In the immediate aftermath, the agency launched its own investigation into the murder. 9 00:02:21,767 --> 00:02:24,187 It was called Operation Leyenda. 10 00:02:24,270 --> 00:02:27,400 Prior to his death, Kiki's investigations 11 00:02:27,481 --> 00:02:31,281 had cost the Guadalajara cartel hundreds of millions of dollars. 12 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:35,110 The cartel's role in Kiki's murder was an open secret. 13 00:02:35,197 --> 00:02:38,827 But the DEA suspected that high ranking Mexican officials 14 00:02:38,909 --> 00:02:40,949 were also involved. 15 00:02:41,036 --> 00:02:44,206 However, four years after Operation Leyenda began, 16 00:02:44,290 --> 00:02:48,500 the DEA still had no eye witnesses with firsthand knowledge 17 00:02:48,586 --> 00:02:51,456 of Kiki's abduction, torture, and murder. 18 00:02:51,547 --> 00:02:55,257 That changed when Hector Berrellez took over the investigation 19 00:02:55,342 --> 00:02:58,512 and began using his vast network of Mexican informants 20 00:02:58,596 --> 00:03:03,136 to uncover the truth about what happened to Kiki in Guadalajara. 21 00:03:22,077 --> 00:03:24,077 BERRELLEZ: Shortly after being assigned 22 00:03:24,163 --> 00:03:26,793 as head of the Camarena murder investigation, 23 00:03:26,874 --> 00:03:29,844 my main focus and mission was: 24 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:34,799 find out who was there that could tell me 25 00:03:34,882 --> 00:03:36,262 everything that happened to Kiki. 26 00:03:48,437 --> 00:03:50,557 MIKA: The last time that I saw Kiki 27 00:03:50,648 --> 00:03:53,648 was when he left to work that morning. 28 00:03:53,734 --> 00:03:57,244 We were laughing because he had a new truck 29 00:03:57,321 --> 00:04:00,201 and he wanted to put the-- 30 00:04:00,282 --> 00:04:03,622 the gray on the windows, the protector. 31 00:04:03,702 --> 00:04:06,332 And I said, "Just have somebody do it professionally 32 00:04:06,413 --> 00:04:08,173 and it'll look nice." 33 00:04:08,248 --> 00:04:10,708 "Oh, no, no, no, no, I can do it, I'll do it, I'll do it." 34 00:04:10,793 --> 00:04:14,593 When I went out that morning, the whole back window was bubbled. 35 00:04:14,672 --> 00:04:19,092 [LAUGHING] And I was-- I was making fun of him. 36 00:04:19,176 --> 00:04:22,136 So, it was-- it was a cheerful morning, 37 00:04:22,221 --> 00:04:23,391 it was a happy morning. 38 00:04:25,099 --> 00:04:27,429 He calls me about noon and he says, 39 00:04:27,518 --> 00:04:31,518 "Hey, you want to go to our favorite restaurant to have lunch?" 40 00:04:31,605 --> 00:04:33,725 And I said, "Yes, well, what time? What time?" 41 00:04:33,816 --> 00:04:35,816 I would never say no. 42 00:04:35,901 --> 00:04:37,741 I don't care what time it was, 43 00:04:37,820 --> 00:04:41,070 I don't care if I had already had the table 44 00:04:41,156 --> 00:04:43,656 set up for dinner, I would never say no. 45 00:04:47,579 --> 00:04:50,169 LIRA: At dawn on February 7th, 46 00:04:50,249 --> 00:04:52,129 the day of the kidnapping. 47 00:04:52,209 --> 00:04:53,959 That day in the morning, 48 00:04:54,044 --> 00:04:57,174 Fonseca told me, "Stay with me, 49 00:04:57,256 --> 00:05:00,546 because we are going to do a job." 50 00:05:00,634 --> 00:05:05,514 LOPEZ: Rene Verdugo arrived and told Ernesto Fonseca, 51 00:05:05,597 --> 00:05:08,637 "Sir, 52 00:05:08,726 --> 00:05:11,766 "the person 53 00:05:11,854 --> 00:05:13,614 "will come out at noon, 54 00:05:13,689 --> 00:05:15,769 and we have to be there before then." 55 00:05:19,153 --> 00:05:21,953 I was in Samuel's group. 56 00:05:24,908 --> 00:05:29,708 Ernesto Fonseca went with Ramon Lira in one group. 57 00:05:29,788 --> 00:05:32,368 Caro Quintero was with another. 58 00:05:32,458 --> 00:05:35,588 BERRELLEZ: Six, seven cars, 59 00:05:35,669 --> 00:05:39,419 four to five men in each car all carrying AK-47s. 60 00:05:39,506 --> 00:05:41,626 He's very well armed. 61 00:05:48,515 --> 00:05:51,555 LIRA: We arrived there and we parked 62 00:05:54,104 --> 00:05:56,114 at the intersection of 63 00:05:56,190 --> 00:05:58,980 Prisciliano Sanchez and Lopez Cotilla, 64 00:05:59,068 --> 00:06:04,358 one or two blocks away from the U.S. consulate. 65 00:06:06,450 --> 00:06:08,490 LOPEZ: When Kiki comes out of the consulate, 66 00:06:08,577 --> 00:06:12,367 Rene Verdugo says, "That's him." 67 00:06:12,456 --> 00:06:17,206 When Kiki was in the middle of the street, 68 00:06:17,294 --> 00:06:20,014 Samuel gets out of the car and tells me, "Come on." 69 00:06:22,007 --> 00:06:23,587 When Kiki gets on the sidewalk, 70 00:06:23,675 --> 00:06:25,885 as soon as he got on the sidewalk, Samuel told him... 71 00:06:25,969 --> 00:06:27,849 "DFS," shows him his credentials. 72 00:06:27,930 --> 00:06:30,640 "The comandante wants to talk to you." 73 00:06:30,724 --> 00:06:33,734 Kiki very calmly turns around and he says, "Esta bien, 74 00:06:33,811 --> 00:06:37,521 that's okay, let me notify my office via radio," 75 00:06:37,606 --> 00:06:41,106 and he reaches for his walkie-talkie in his DEA truck, 76 00:06:41,193 --> 00:06:43,903 and that's when Sammy pulled a gun on him, "No." 77 00:06:43,987 --> 00:06:45,607 Samuel told him, 78 00:06:45,697 --> 00:06:48,657 "Don't resist, or I'll finish you right here." 79 00:06:50,661 --> 00:06:52,081 "Alright," Kiki said. 80 00:06:52,162 --> 00:06:55,832 I thought he was going to react differently. 81 00:07:00,087 --> 00:07:01,667 Samuel said, "Let's walk." 82 00:07:01,755 --> 00:07:04,965 And Kiki walked, he was calm. 83 00:07:05,050 --> 00:07:08,640 We put him in the back seat. 84 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:12,520 In between us. 85 00:07:13,851 --> 00:07:16,441 Samuel said, "Lean him over, 86 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:18,310 and put a jacket over his head." 87 00:07:19,815 --> 00:07:22,275 So we leaned him over and put a jacket on him. 88 00:07:24,278 --> 00:07:27,488 Well, when we started driving away, 89 00:07:27,573 --> 00:07:29,833 Samuel spoke on the radio. 90 00:07:29,908 --> 00:07:32,288 "We are taking the package to the office." 91 00:07:32,369 --> 00:07:35,119 Those were the words he used. 92 00:07:37,875 --> 00:07:41,035 BERRELLEZ: He says then we drove him to the Lope de Vega house 93 00:07:41,128 --> 00:07:42,918 where Caro Quintero was, 94 00:07:43,005 --> 00:07:46,255 and all the military guys and other DFS bosses were. 95 00:07:59,229 --> 00:08:03,279 MIKA: I go meet him at the restaurant 96 00:08:03,358 --> 00:08:07,108 and he's not there, which is fine because, 97 00:08:07,196 --> 00:08:09,736 you know, they- they-- it was a known fact 98 00:08:09,823 --> 00:08:11,833 they get delayed for one reason or another, 99 00:08:11,909 --> 00:08:14,699 whatever's happening at the office. 100 00:08:14,786 --> 00:08:17,116 But this time, it was too long. 101 00:08:19,917 --> 00:08:23,497 I was hungry, so I decided to eat. 102 00:08:23,587 --> 00:08:25,797 And I thought, I bet you he was called back to work 103 00:08:25,881 --> 00:08:28,471 and that's why he didn't show up. 104 00:08:35,098 --> 00:08:38,268 LOPEZ: And the celebration began. 105 00:08:38,352 --> 00:08:40,482 When we all got out of the cars and everything, 106 00:08:40,562 --> 00:08:42,062 they began to embrace. 107 00:08:42,147 --> 00:08:44,397 And they were excited, you know? 108 00:08:44,483 --> 00:08:46,243 So they celebrated. 109 00:08:47,694 --> 00:08:51,494 And Samuel gave orders, "Bring some bandages 110 00:08:51,573 --> 00:08:53,033 from the kitchen." 111 00:08:53,116 --> 00:08:56,116 Torres Lepe bandaged Kiki. 112 00:08:56,203 --> 00:08:57,373 He covered his eyes. 113 00:08:57,454 --> 00:08:59,674 And we got him out of the car, 114 00:08:59,748 --> 00:09:03,128 and we brought him to-- to the room that-- 115 00:09:03,210 --> 00:09:07,460 that they have for servants. It was a big house. 116 00:09:15,138 --> 00:09:17,138 INTERVIEWER: And where was he? 117 00:09:17,224 --> 00:09:18,854 Show me the room. 118 00:09:18,934 --> 00:09:20,444 I want to know exactly the layout of the room. 119 00:09:20,519 --> 00:09:24,019 The room more or less was like this one. 120 00:09:24,106 --> 00:09:27,776 The pool was right next to it. 121 00:09:29,027 --> 00:09:31,987 You go in and here was the bed. 122 00:09:32,072 --> 00:09:35,742 A window there and a bathroom here. 123 00:09:38,203 --> 00:09:40,833 When we got there, Fonseca went directly 124 00:09:40,914 --> 00:09:44,424 to the room where they had Camarena. 125 00:09:44,501 --> 00:09:46,801 And at that moment, 126 00:09:46,878 --> 00:09:50,168 I saw Camarena there, blindfolded. 127 00:09:50,257 --> 00:09:53,797 Then I started noticing all the politicians... 128 00:09:53,885 --> 00:09:58,215 It was kind of like a party. 129 00:09:58,307 --> 00:10:00,227 I think there were about... 130 00:10:00,309 --> 00:10:03,849 50, 60 people in the house. 131 00:10:03,937 --> 00:10:09,477 Government officials, politicians, narcos... 132 00:10:09,568 --> 00:10:12,238 the cream of the crop. 133 00:10:15,324 --> 00:10:17,414 LIRA: It's no birthday party. 134 00:10:17,492 --> 00:10:19,702 It's a macabre party, 135 00:10:19,786 --> 00:10:23,996 because a few steps away, someone is being tortured. 136 00:10:39,639 --> 00:10:43,229 "And who told you about the Bufalo plantation?" 137 00:10:45,228 --> 00:10:47,768 Kiki told him, "No, wait," he says. 138 00:10:47,856 --> 00:10:52,316 "I know I'm here because of Caro Quintero. 139 00:10:52,402 --> 00:10:55,282 "I would like to talk to him. 140 00:10:55,364 --> 00:10:58,584 I'm of more use to Caro 141 00:10:58,658 --> 00:11:00,448 alive than dead." 142 00:11:03,955 --> 00:11:05,825 The first interrogator leaves, 143 00:11:05,916 --> 00:11:07,456 and Caro Quintero enters. 144 00:11:08,919 --> 00:11:11,089 When Caro Quintero enters, 145 00:11:11,171 --> 00:11:13,471 he grabs Kiki by the hair, 146 00:11:13,548 --> 00:11:16,338 and he throws him to the ground. 147 00:11:16,426 --> 00:11:19,296 He told him, "Look, you son a fucking bitch! 148 00:11:19,388 --> 00:11:21,968 "I sent you money, fucker. 149 00:11:22,057 --> 00:11:24,347 Yet you raided and destroyed my plantation." 150 00:11:26,144 --> 00:11:29,444 "We were just doing our job," Kiki answered. 151 00:11:29,523 --> 00:11:33,493 "Son of a bitch, you took our money! 152 00:11:33,568 --> 00:11:36,818 We sent you money." 153 00:11:36,905 --> 00:11:40,985 "No," Kiki said, "You're wrong. 154 00:11:41,076 --> 00:11:44,116 I've never taken any money from you." 155 00:11:47,916 --> 00:11:50,166 "Now I want you to tell me, 156 00:11:50,252 --> 00:11:53,422 "who do you know of the politicians 157 00:11:53,505 --> 00:11:55,965 who are involved in drug trafficking?" 158 00:11:58,343 --> 00:12:00,103 Kiki said, "No, you know what? 159 00:12:00,178 --> 00:12:03,808 "I don't know which politicians you're talking about. 160 00:12:03,890 --> 00:12:05,730 "I don't know any politicians that - 161 00:12:05,809 --> 00:12:08,599 are involved in drug trafficking." 162 00:12:08,687 --> 00:12:11,687 "Don't play stupid, you son of a bitch." 163 00:12:11,773 --> 00:12:14,733 So Caro laid him out with a blow. 164 00:12:16,611 --> 00:12:20,281 Basically our job was 165 00:12:20,365 --> 00:12:22,775 to stand Kiki up again and again. 166 00:12:22,868 --> 00:12:25,748 And Caro said, "Tie this bastard up for me!" 167 00:12:27,289 --> 00:12:31,079 And they cut the cords from the curtains. 168 00:12:31,168 --> 00:12:34,548 And with those cords, they bound his feet and hands. 169 00:12:34,629 --> 00:12:37,219 No shirt, no pants. 170 00:12:37,299 --> 00:12:39,009 Just underpants. 171 00:12:39,092 --> 00:12:42,682 They took off all his clothes, just his underwear. 172 00:12:45,765 --> 00:12:47,475 INTERVIEWER: What kind of torture did they do? 173 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:51,899 LIRA: Blows, burns with cigarettes, 174 00:12:51,980 --> 00:12:55,860 jumping on his chest, kicks. 175 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,320 BERRELLEZ: And at one point they put powder on his face 176 00:13:00,405 --> 00:13:04,905 from an AK47 cartridge and lit it up. 177 00:13:04,993 --> 00:13:07,123 His jaw had been broken, his teeth knocked out, 178 00:13:07,204 --> 00:13:10,214 his, you know, his skull was all cracked 179 00:13:10,290 --> 00:13:12,750 from all the beatings that he had on his head. 180 00:13:12,834 --> 00:13:15,804 He was violated through the anal cavity. 181 00:13:17,214 --> 00:13:19,174 His ribs were all broken. 182 00:13:19,257 --> 00:13:21,967 So he's been tortured severely. 183 00:13:39,694 --> 00:13:42,704 LOPEZ: Two hours after we brought Kiki, 184 00:13:42,781 --> 00:13:45,031 Felix Gallardo's group arrived. 185 00:13:45,116 --> 00:13:47,536 Felix Gallardo. 186 00:13:49,621 --> 00:13:55,381 El Chapo and "Los Dormidos" were bringing the pilot, 187 00:13:55,460 --> 00:13:58,840 they had kidnapped him too. 188 00:13:58,922 --> 00:14:00,722 And they started torturing him as well. 189 00:14:00,799 --> 00:14:02,129 Same thing. 190 00:14:07,806 --> 00:14:11,016 BERRELLEZ: Rene tells us that one of the interrogators 191 00:14:11,101 --> 00:14:15,561 was a comandante of the DFS 192 00:14:15,647 --> 00:14:18,477 who asked him a lot of questions. 193 00:14:34,249 --> 00:14:38,339 And also, he says, that this Cuban guy, 194 00:14:38,420 --> 00:14:41,720 Cubano was also interrogating Kiki. 195 00:14:41,798 --> 00:14:44,758 And I'm very curious, "Who is this Cubano, Rene?" 196 00:14:44,843 --> 00:14:45,933 I says, "Who is this Cubano?" 197 00:14:46,011 --> 00:14:47,931 He says, "I don't know." 198 00:14:48,013 --> 00:14:51,393 LOPEZ: I even asked Samuel Ramirez once. 199 00:14:51,474 --> 00:14:55,654 "Who's this dude? He looks Cuban." 200 00:14:55,729 --> 00:14:57,309 "Well, he's also DFS." 201 00:14:57,397 --> 00:14:59,187 That's what Samuel told me. 202 00:14:59,274 --> 00:15:02,494 BERRELLEZ: And the Cubano, he's the one that brings in 203 00:15:02,569 --> 00:15:06,569 tape recording machines to tape record the whole thing. 204 00:15:06,656 --> 00:15:09,236 They were tape recording everything they were asking him. 205 00:15:09,326 --> 00:15:13,746 It was a tape recorder - black color, double cassette. 206 00:15:13,830 --> 00:15:16,750 BERRELLEZ: And I ask him, [SPEAKING SPANISH]. 207 00:15:16,833 --> 00:15:18,343 "What were they asking Kiki?" 208 00:15:18,418 --> 00:15:20,878 "They were asking him about [SPEAKING SPANISH], 209 00:15:20,962 --> 00:15:24,222 what he knew about the politicos protecting the drug lords." 210 00:15:24,299 --> 00:15:25,929 "And what would he answer?" 211 00:15:26,009 --> 00:15:30,219 Kiki would say... "I know nothing about that." 212 00:15:30,305 --> 00:15:32,265 They would also ask him about 213 00:15:32,349 --> 00:15:35,139 the Contras in Nicaragua. 214 00:15:35,226 --> 00:15:39,726 And Kiki kept answering, "I know nothing, sir." 215 00:15:39,814 --> 00:15:42,444 LIRA: They would not stop asking him the same questions. 216 00:15:42,525 --> 00:15:45,855 what had he found out about the CIA, 217 00:15:45,945 --> 00:15:48,565 what investigations he had into the CIA, 218 00:15:48,657 --> 00:15:52,537 the nexus of the CIA with drug trafficking, 219 00:15:52,619 --> 00:15:55,209 and what he knew about the relationship 220 00:15:55,288 --> 00:15:59,168 between the Mexican government, CIA and the Narcos. 221 00:15:59,250 --> 00:16:02,210 INTERVIEWER: And was he screaming, or begging? 222 00:16:02,295 --> 00:16:05,665 Well, the last time I saw him, he couldn't... 223 00:16:05,757 --> 00:16:07,047 he couldn't talk anymore. 224 00:16:07,133 --> 00:16:09,933 He could hardly speak, then. 225 00:16:10,011 --> 00:16:12,101 But he did beg them - 226 00:16:12,180 --> 00:16:14,680 to not hurt him anymore, because he didn't know anything. 227 00:17:04,149 --> 00:17:06,229 BERRELLEZ: Fonseca's not happy with the way it's going. 228 00:17:06,317 --> 00:17:09,567 Kiki's in real bad shape. 229 00:17:09,654 --> 00:17:12,874 He sees him and he gets mad at Caro Quintero 230 00:17:12,949 --> 00:17:14,699 and he says [SPEAKING SPANISH]. 231 00:17:14,784 --> 00:17:16,754 "This wasn't supposed to happen. The guy's not in good shape, 232 00:17:16,828 --> 00:17:17,948 get a doctor over here." 233 00:17:18,037 --> 00:17:20,617 They sent for the doctor, 234 00:17:20,707 --> 00:17:23,247 who was Ernesto Fonseca's chief doctor, 235 00:17:23,334 --> 00:17:26,844 Humberto Alvarez Machain. 236 00:17:26,921 --> 00:17:29,551 BERRELLEZ: And he looks at Camarena and he says, 237 00:17:29,632 --> 00:17:31,182 "He's not in good shape. 238 00:17:31,259 --> 00:17:33,139 I've got to get him to a hospital 239 00:17:33,219 --> 00:17:36,099 or this guy's not gonna make it." 240 00:17:36,181 --> 00:17:40,021 And Fonseca says, "Okay, get him, let's take him to a hospital." 241 00:17:40,101 --> 00:17:42,271 And Caro Quintero says, "No, you can't take this guy to a hospital. 242 00:17:42,353 --> 00:17:44,313 Are you kidding me? This guy's DEA." 243 00:17:44,397 --> 00:17:46,777 Fonseca didn't agree. 244 00:17:46,858 --> 00:17:48,938 He wanted to release him, 245 00:17:49,027 --> 00:17:52,317 Fonseca wanted to take him to a hospital to be saved. 246 00:17:55,992 --> 00:17:59,002 LOPEZ: We left the Lope de Vega house, 247 00:17:59,078 --> 00:18:02,618 at like 7:00 or 8:00 PM. 248 00:18:02,707 --> 00:18:04,957 We left with Ernesto Fonseca. 249 00:18:07,587 --> 00:18:09,337 BERRELLEZ: After he leaves, 250 00:18:09,422 --> 00:18:12,802 Dr. Machain starts taking orders from Caro Quintero. 251 00:18:12,884 --> 00:18:14,434 He says, "We want to keep interrogating him, 252 00:18:14,511 --> 00:18:16,811 the guy keeps-- keeps going unconscious." 253 00:18:16,888 --> 00:18:19,138 The body can only take so much. 254 00:18:19,224 --> 00:18:21,684 So Humberto Alvarez Machain was brought in 255 00:18:21,768 --> 00:18:25,858 and he would administer medication to Camarena 256 00:18:25,939 --> 00:18:29,359 to revive him so the torture could continue. 257 00:18:37,992 --> 00:18:40,202 MIKA: Many a night I went to bed by myself. 258 00:18:40,286 --> 00:18:42,326 But when Kiki was home, 259 00:18:42,413 --> 00:18:43,923 I would wake up in the middle of the night 260 00:18:43,998 --> 00:18:46,038 and kinda try to feel him with my leg, 261 00:18:46,125 --> 00:18:48,795 and just feel the relief that he's home. 262 00:18:51,673 --> 00:18:56,933 But that night, I did not wake up at all. 263 00:18:57,011 --> 00:18:59,761 And when I woke up and saw that he was-- 264 00:18:59,848 --> 00:19:02,678 he had not come home, I panicked. 265 00:19:07,438 --> 00:19:10,648 Then I called his partner and I said, 266 00:19:10,733 --> 00:19:14,073 "Kiki didn't come home." 267 00:19:14,153 --> 00:19:16,953 He said, "Didn't he meet you for lunch?" 268 00:19:17,031 --> 00:19:19,911 And my heart just dropped again, 269 00:19:19,993 --> 00:19:23,123 I knew that they did not know he was missing. 270 00:19:35,884 --> 00:19:38,684 When I got to the Consulate, Kiki's vehicle was still there. 271 00:19:42,098 --> 00:19:44,348 At that point in time, it became very obvious... 272 00:19:44,434 --> 00:19:47,354 well, it was probable that he had been 273 00:19:47,437 --> 00:19:49,897 kidnapped by drug traffickers 274 00:19:49,981 --> 00:19:52,281 and we began to try to find him. 275 00:19:52,358 --> 00:19:53,858 The secretaries came to the office, 276 00:19:53,943 --> 00:19:57,363 made phone calls to the hospitals, 277 00:19:57,447 --> 00:20:01,077 the city morgue, things like that, to no avail. 278 00:20:01,159 --> 00:20:04,949 I notified my superiors in Mexico City, 279 00:20:05,038 --> 00:20:06,498 I notified the Consul General. 280 00:20:06,581 --> 00:20:08,791 Those people started the wheels moving 281 00:20:08,875 --> 00:20:11,335 to inform the United States government in Washington DC 282 00:20:11,419 --> 00:20:14,459 that we had a federal agent missing in Mexico. 283 00:20:16,174 --> 00:20:18,554 MIKA: I knew, without a doubt, 284 00:20:18,635 --> 00:20:19,885 that someone had taken him. 285 00:20:19,969 --> 00:20:22,509 It was not gonna be good. 286 00:20:22,597 --> 00:20:25,807 And all I could think of doing is praying 287 00:20:25,892 --> 00:20:29,692 that they would return him, that they would not kill him. 288 00:20:36,444 --> 00:20:40,914 MEDRANO: Kiki Camarena is tortured for 36 hours. 289 00:20:40,990 --> 00:20:42,620 And at this time in the interrogation, 290 00:20:42,700 --> 00:20:44,950 you can tell from his responses, 291 00:20:45,036 --> 00:20:49,576 he's a beaten man already, he's barely hanging on. 292 00:20:49,666 --> 00:20:52,666 So, his answers are very low key 293 00:20:52,752 --> 00:20:55,882 and in a very low volume. 294 00:20:55,964 --> 00:20:57,344 And then, every once in a while, 295 00:20:57,423 --> 00:20:59,223 interspersed with, 296 00:20:59,300 --> 00:21:02,510 "Please don't hit me anymore." 297 00:21:07,767 --> 00:21:09,387 MIKA: The first day that he was gone, 298 00:21:09,477 --> 00:21:12,227 I worried whether he had eaten, 299 00:21:12,313 --> 00:21:14,983 I worried whether he was cold. 300 00:21:15,066 --> 00:21:19,316 Because, unconsciously I did not want to think 301 00:21:19,404 --> 00:21:22,994 that he was, no, he was not coming back. 302 00:21:23,074 --> 00:21:25,794 That I would never see him again. 303 00:21:31,833 --> 00:21:33,793 After he was gone two days, 304 00:21:33,876 --> 00:21:36,916 I got a... 305 00:21:37,005 --> 00:21:40,125 a horrible pain in my stomach 306 00:21:40,216 --> 00:21:45,386 and it was like I just wanted to scream. 307 00:21:45,471 --> 00:21:49,311 My gut was telling me he was gone. 308 00:21:57,358 --> 00:21:59,898 LOPEZ: Early the next morning, Fonseca receives a phone call, 309 00:21:59,986 --> 00:22:01,776 telling him that there was trouble, 310 00:22:01,863 --> 00:22:06,703 that the gringo was dying. 311 00:22:06,784 --> 00:22:10,714 It was around 6:00, 7:00 AM, 312 00:22:10,788 --> 00:22:13,118 when we arrived at Lope de Vega. 313 00:22:38,399 --> 00:22:40,279 When we arrived with Ernesto Fonseca, 314 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,359 Caro Quintero was sitting there under an umbrella. 315 00:22:42,445 --> 00:22:44,855 Fonseca said, "What happened, buddy?" 316 00:22:44,947 --> 00:22:47,987 Caro said, "What happened is what had to happen." 317 00:22:48,076 --> 00:22:51,496 "But that was not the agreement." 318 00:22:51,579 --> 00:22:52,659 "Well, it was not the agreement, 319 00:22:52,747 --> 00:22:54,917 but that's how things went." 320 00:22:54,999 --> 00:22:57,589 Fonseca said, "You son of a bitch, 321 00:22:57,668 --> 00:22:59,128 this has totally gone to shit." 322 00:22:59,212 --> 00:23:01,342 "We are going to end up fucked." 323 00:23:01,422 --> 00:23:03,632 Ernesto Fonseca told Caro. 324 00:23:06,886 --> 00:23:10,426 "This mess is yours to fix, asshole!" 325 00:23:10,515 --> 00:23:13,175 And Caro said, "We have done worse things 326 00:23:13,267 --> 00:23:14,807 "and what has happened to us? 327 00:23:14,894 --> 00:23:19,694 You know very well that here in Mexico, we rule." 328 00:23:19,774 --> 00:23:21,864 "No fucking way, 329 00:23:21,943 --> 00:23:25,033 the devil will take us with this fight." 330 00:23:25,113 --> 00:23:28,833 And Caro said, "Leave this fucking situation to me, 331 00:23:28,908 --> 00:23:31,118 I will resolve it." 332 00:23:31,202 --> 00:23:33,002 Fonseca says, "No, you're not going to resolve shit. 333 00:23:33,079 --> 00:23:36,419 This fucking shit cannot be resolved." 334 00:23:36,499 --> 00:23:40,039 Fonseca slapped Caro Quintero. 335 00:23:40,128 --> 00:23:43,088 Because I was protecting Fonseca, 336 00:23:43,172 --> 00:23:47,222 I had to be watching Caro Quintero's bodyguards 337 00:23:47,301 --> 00:23:50,431 to make sure they were not going to kill us. 338 00:23:50,513 --> 00:23:53,183 Caro's men all put [UNINTELLIGIBLE] rounds into the rifles, 339 00:23:53,266 --> 00:23:54,636 and of course, Fonseca has more men, 340 00:23:54,725 --> 00:23:56,845 and they all point at Caro's men. 341 00:23:56,936 --> 00:24:01,516 And Fonseca then says, [SPEAKING SPANISH]. 342 00:24:01,607 --> 00:24:03,227 "You're doing this, you're gonna pay for this." 343 00:24:03,317 --> 00:24:06,147 LIRA: I escorted Fonseca to his house. 344 00:24:06,237 --> 00:24:07,987 And he arrived very angry. 345 00:24:08,072 --> 00:24:11,952 He grabbed his AK-47 and fired off a whole magazine. 346 00:24:12,034 --> 00:24:15,084 I think it was 60 bullets. 347 00:24:15,163 --> 00:24:17,503 He emptied it all. 348 00:24:17,582 --> 00:24:19,632 And he wouldn't stop drinking. 349 00:24:19,709 --> 00:24:21,629 Drinking, and drinking. 350 00:24:23,462 --> 00:24:25,422 He's going crazy mad. 351 00:24:25,506 --> 00:24:28,426 "We are in deep shit! 352 00:24:28,509 --> 00:24:31,799 We are all gonna pay for Caro's fucking mistake." 353 00:24:33,181 --> 00:24:34,891 From there on out, 354 00:24:34,974 --> 00:24:38,234 Ernesto Fonseca was fucked. 355 00:24:42,648 --> 00:24:47,108 That night they went to bury the bodies. 356 00:24:47,195 --> 00:24:48,275 INTERVIEWER: Who buried the bodies? 357 00:24:48,362 --> 00:24:49,862 "Los Dormidos." 358 00:24:49,947 --> 00:24:52,697 Because they were in charge of burials. 359 00:24:52,783 --> 00:24:55,623 Of killing people and burying them there. 360 00:24:55,703 --> 00:24:58,213 At La Primavera forest, 361 00:24:58,289 --> 00:24:59,999 that was basically their graveyard. 362 00:25:00,082 --> 00:25:02,132 Those lands belonged to Ruben Zuno Arce. 363 00:25:04,337 --> 00:25:08,127 All the La Primavera lands, those were Zuno's lands. 364 00:25:08,216 --> 00:25:11,006 Same as the house at Lope de Vega. 365 00:25:14,347 --> 00:25:17,137 BERRELLEZ: And they have Zavala, Kiki's pilot, the informant, 366 00:25:17,225 --> 00:25:18,975 and he's alive. 367 00:25:19,060 --> 00:25:20,900 And the pilot was thrown in the same hole with Kiki 368 00:25:20,978 --> 00:25:23,768 and he was buried alive. 369 00:25:31,030 --> 00:25:34,120 The U.S. government is mounting an unprecedented effort this weekend 370 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,080 to find a kidnapped American narcotics agent and his captors. 371 00:25:38,579 --> 00:25:41,119 JORDAN: Every office was working 24/7. 372 00:25:41,207 --> 00:25:43,457 Kiki was the number one priority. 373 00:25:44,752 --> 00:25:46,802 We have to send a clear message 374 00:25:46,879 --> 00:25:49,339 to all parties concerned: traffickers, law enforcement, 375 00:25:49,423 --> 00:25:52,343 businessmen alike that we want something done about it, 376 00:25:52,426 --> 00:25:53,586 we want our agent back. 377 00:25:56,472 --> 00:25:58,642 NARRATOR: When U.S. authorities ordered the crackdown, 378 00:25:58,724 --> 00:26:01,064 they knew chances were slim they'd find any trace 379 00:26:01,143 --> 00:26:03,903 of kidnapped Agent Enrique Camarena. 380 00:26:03,980 --> 00:26:07,320 MEDRANO: We told the Mexican government, "give us our guy back." 381 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,360 They took their time, they obstructed. 382 00:26:09,443 --> 00:26:11,533 But what got the job done, 383 00:26:11,612 --> 00:26:13,032 and this was unprecedented 384 00:26:13,114 --> 00:26:15,494 and never to be repeated to this day, 385 00:26:15,574 --> 00:26:18,584 the Mexican border was shut down. 386 00:26:21,372 --> 00:26:25,252 And as that pressure grew, the Mexican government 387 00:26:25,334 --> 00:26:28,504 and the drug dealers had to scramble. 388 00:26:28,587 --> 00:26:30,837 What were they gonna say, what were they gonna do, 389 00:26:30,923 --> 00:26:32,473 who were they gonna turn over? 390 00:26:45,313 --> 00:26:48,323 REPORTER: The man being hunted is Rafael Caro Quintero, 391 00:26:48,399 --> 00:26:49,979 a major cocaine trafficker. 392 00:26:50,067 --> 00:26:53,107 This is the man in charge of finding Caro Quintero, 393 00:26:53,195 --> 00:26:55,315 Commander Armando Pavon, 394 00:26:55,406 --> 00:26:58,116 the head of a Mexican federal task force. 395 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,660 Pavon Reyes was a Mexican federal judicial police agent. 396 00:27:01,746 --> 00:27:03,996 He was sent from Mexico City 397 00:27:04,081 --> 00:27:08,631 to be the supervisor/comandante of the group 398 00:27:08,711 --> 00:27:10,251 that was sent up to help us look for Kiki. 399 00:27:34,987 --> 00:27:39,617 We escorted Caro Quintero to the airport. 400 00:27:42,453 --> 00:27:43,703 When we arrived at the airport, 401 00:27:43,788 --> 00:27:46,538 there was a group of DEA agents 402 00:27:46,624 --> 00:27:48,634 and a group of the DFS. 403 00:27:48,709 --> 00:27:50,629 Everybody's got, pointing guns at each other, 404 00:27:50,711 --> 00:27:52,091 the DEA agents are there, 405 00:27:52,171 --> 00:27:54,721 and the comandante that's working with him, 406 00:27:54,799 --> 00:27:57,179 Armando Pavon Reyes was with the DEA agents. 407 00:27:57,259 --> 00:28:00,599 He talks to Caro Quintero, he hugs him, 408 00:28:00,679 --> 00:28:03,059 and then lets him go. 409 00:28:04,892 --> 00:28:07,652 And Caro Quintero gets on the plane, 410 00:28:07,728 --> 00:28:09,978 and right before the plane takes off, 411 00:28:10,064 --> 00:28:12,024 he gets a bottle of champagne, and he tells them, [SPEAKS SPANISH] 412 00:28:12,108 --> 00:28:17,278 "My children, next time, bring better weapons, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha." 413 00:28:17,363 --> 00:28:19,453 And the plane takes off. 414 00:28:21,867 --> 00:28:24,287 The agents ask Pavon Reyes, the comandante who hugged Caro Quintero, 415 00:28:24,370 --> 00:28:25,870 they said, "Why did you hug him and let him go?" 416 00:28:25,955 --> 00:28:27,665 And he says, "That wasn't Caro Quintero, 417 00:28:27,748 --> 00:28:29,288 "you guys don't even know who Caro Quintero is. 418 00:28:29,375 --> 00:28:31,875 "That was a DFS comandante friend of mine. 419 00:28:31,961 --> 00:28:35,511 And all those guys that were there protecting him, they're all DFS." 420 00:28:37,675 --> 00:28:39,885 LOPEZ: Caro got on the plane and 421 00:28:39,969 --> 00:28:43,719 gave an envelope to Pavon Reyes. 422 00:28:43,806 --> 00:28:46,976 Supposedly it contained 60 million pesos. 423 00:28:47,059 --> 00:28:49,599 But we didn't see the amount. We just saw the envelope. 424 00:29:04,785 --> 00:29:07,035 They dug up the bodies, 425 00:29:07,121 --> 00:29:10,001 because the fight was now on their doorstep. 426 00:29:10,082 --> 00:29:13,042 They decided to take the bodies out of Jalisco, 427 00:29:13,127 --> 00:29:16,127 to move the problem to another state. 428 00:29:16,213 --> 00:29:19,053 They decided to move them to Michoacan. 429 00:29:22,219 --> 00:29:25,929 When we arrived at La Primavera forest, 430 00:29:26,015 --> 00:29:27,385 El Chapo and "Los Dormidos" 431 00:29:27,475 --> 00:29:30,135 came out with the bodies in bags. 432 00:29:30,227 --> 00:29:33,767 They threw the bodies in the truck. 433 00:29:33,856 --> 00:29:36,186 And we drove to Michoacan. 434 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,210 When we arrived, Pavon Reyes was there. 435 00:29:53,292 --> 00:29:55,422 He assigned one of his agents 436 00:29:55,503 --> 00:29:58,883 to show us where to dump the bodies. 437 00:30:01,217 --> 00:30:04,797 Outside of town there was a ditch, 438 00:30:04,887 --> 00:30:06,887 he said, "Throw them here." 439 00:30:06,972 --> 00:30:09,062 They grabbed the bags, 440 00:30:09,141 --> 00:30:10,481 out of the van 441 00:30:10,559 --> 00:30:11,849 and threw the bodies in a ditch, 442 00:30:11,936 --> 00:30:13,896 and covered them with branches. 443 00:32:05,215 --> 00:32:07,375 MIKA: The children didn't have the privacy. 444 00:32:10,095 --> 00:32:13,385 I remember Danny coming home one day 445 00:32:13,474 --> 00:32:14,814 with a TIME Magazine and asking me, 446 00:32:14,892 --> 00:32:17,732 "Mom is this true?" 447 00:32:21,148 --> 00:32:24,228 I had to tell him... 448 00:32:24,318 --> 00:32:27,028 that he had been tortured. 449 00:32:28,447 --> 00:32:31,117 He was six years old. 450 00:32:48,759 --> 00:32:51,389 LOPEZ: After all that had happened, 451 00:32:51,470 --> 00:32:53,350 Fonseca was going from one place to another. 452 00:32:56,350 --> 00:32:58,810 LIRA: One day Fonseca was driving, 453 00:32:58,894 --> 00:33:01,484 Samuel in the front, me in the back seat. 454 00:33:01,563 --> 00:33:05,403 And Fonseca told Samuel Ramirez, 455 00:33:05,484 --> 00:33:06,904 "This has gone to hell, 456 00:33:06,985 --> 00:33:08,445 the politicians have abandoned us." 457 00:33:08,529 --> 00:33:09,739 That's what he said. 458 00:33:11,115 --> 00:33:14,615 So we changed houses every night. 459 00:33:14,702 --> 00:33:17,202 We would arrive at six o'clock in the afternoon, 460 00:33:17,287 --> 00:33:20,457 and by midnight, we were already in another house. 461 00:33:20,541 --> 00:33:22,881 By four in the morning, we were in another one. 462 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,210 We never knew where we were going next. 463 00:33:28,507 --> 00:33:30,757 GODOY: It was a dark night. 464 00:33:30,843 --> 00:33:34,973 You could feel the devil's presence. 465 00:33:35,055 --> 00:33:37,975 A storm with thunder, lightning. 466 00:33:38,058 --> 00:33:40,978 The fucking horse from the devil, neighing. 467 00:33:42,438 --> 00:33:44,608 LIRA: The lights went out, 468 00:33:44,690 --> 00:33:47,650 so I told Fonseca, "I'm going to buy a fuse. 469 00:33:47,735 --> 00:33:50,605 And I'm going to take the opportunity to go to roll call." 470 00:33:50,696 --> 00:33:52,446 "Ah, it's okay, you can go," Fonseca said. 471 00:33:52,531 --> 00:33:55,741 That's when I went to the precinct and stayed there. 472 00:33:55,826 --> 00:33:58,786 But the truth was, when I heard 473 00:33:58,871 --> 00:34:00,371 that the politicians... 474 00:34:00,456 --> 00:34:01,826 had abandoned him, 475 00:34:01,915 --> 00:34:06,745 I knew the whole thing was fucked. 476 00:34:08,088 --> 00:34:09,628 I was carrying my AK-47, 477 00:34:09,715 --> 00:34:11,755 a 9-millimeter and two grenades. 478 00:34:11,842 --> 00:34:14,092 I wasn't going to let them catch me. 479 00:34:15,554 --> 00:34:17,354 That was the moment I abandoned everything, 480 00:34:17,431 --> 00:34:19,731 and from then on, always running. 481 00:34:32,279 --> 00:34:33,859 REPORTER: The man said to be at the center 482 00:34:33,947 --> 00:34:35,867 of much of the illicit drug traffic in Mexico 483 00:34:35,949 --> 00:34:37,619 was captured today. 484 00:34:37,701 --> 00:34:40,951 Rafael Caro Quintero was arrested in Costa Rica. 485 00:34:41,038 --> 00:34:43,288 He's considered the prime suspect 486 00:34:43,373 --> 00:34:46,423 in the kidnap and murder of American drug agent Enrique Camarena. 487 00:34:48,462 --> 00:34:51,172 In a Mexican prison, at a news conference, 488 00:34:51,256 --> 00:34:54,086 he laughs and jokes with local reporters. 489 00:34:54,176 --> 00:34:56,136 REPORTER: Why did you want to visit Costa Rica? 490 00:34:56,220 --> 00:34:57,430 I was told it's a quiet country, 491 00:34:57,513 --> 00:35:01,433 but as far as I've seen, it's not. 492 00:35:01,517 --> 00:35:04,597 Hey, Rafa, do you consider yourself a bad guy? 493 00:35:04,686 --> 00:35:06,686 - No. No. - Why? 494 00:35:06,772 --> 00:35:11,242 If there's anything I have, it's love for everybody. 495 00:35:11,318 --> 00:35:13,528 - You've never hurt anyone? - Of course not. 496 00:35:13,612 --> 00:35:14,992 And I don't plan on it either. 497 00:35:15,072 --> 00:35:17,742 Rafael, did you have anything to do 498 00:35:17,825 --> 00:35:19,945 with the death of Enrique Camarena? 499 00:35:20,035 --> 00:35:23,865 Negative. I never saw or met him. 500 00:35:23,956 --> 00:35:27,326 - Zavala, the pilot, neither? - No. Nobody. 501 00:35:27,417 --> 00:35:30,747 I have nothing to do with... 502 00:35:30,838 --> 00:35:32,708 What was the name of the murdered guy? 503 00:35:32,798 --> 00:35:35,178 - Enrique Camarena. - It has nothing to do with me. 504 00:35:35,259 --> 00:35:37,049 Or Mr. Ernesto Fonseca either. 505 00:35:37,135 --> 00:35:39,135 Did you know there were DEA agents working in Mexico? 506 00:35:39,221 --> 00:35:41,181 No, I never knew that. 507 00:35:41,265 --> 00:35:45,225 They knew about your houses and your ranches. 508 00:35:45,310 --> 00:35:47,150 Maybe so. 509 00:35:47,229 --> 00:35:50,019 Maybe Camarena went there for a stroll sometime before. 510 00:35:50,107 --> 00:35:52,567 Do you think the gringos are meddlesome? 511 00:35:52,651 --> 00:35:54,701 No, because I don't know them. 512 00:35:54,778 --> 00:35:57,158 They want you to be extradited to the United States. 513 00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,829 What else do they want? 514 00:35:59,908 --> 00:36:01,738 I'd like many things too, but you can't have it all. 515 00:36:01,827 --> 00:36:03,497 I have no pending business with the United States. 516 00:36:03,579 --> 00:36:04,579 So there's no reason to extradite you? 517 00:36:04,663 --> 00:36:06,673 None. That's negative. 518 00:36:09,167 --> 00:36:12,497 Rafael, what's your real relationship with Fonseca? 519 00:36:12,588 --> 00:36:14,088 How did you meet him? 520 00:36:14,172 --> 00:36:17,842 I've known him since I was born. 521 00:36:23,557 --> 00:36:26,517 LOPEZ: When they told Ernesto Fonseca 522 00:36:26,602 --> 00:36:29,352 that Caro was caught, 523 00:36:29,438 --> 00:36:32,148 then he felt more desperate. 524 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:34,650 He was thinking about escaping 525 00:36:34,735 --> 00:36:37,195 to El Salvador or Guatemala. 526 00:36:37,279 --> 00:36:39,069 But finally one morning, 527 00:36:39,156 --> 00:36:42,076 he decided we should hide in Puerto Vallarta. 528 00:36:53,629 --> 00:36:57,929 We were guarding Ernesto Fonseca Carrillo... 529 00:36:59,593 --> 00:37:04,643 and we had seen in the news 530 00:37:04,723 --> 00:37:08,353 that Rafael Caro Quintero had been caught 531 00:37:08,435 --> 00:37:09,595 in Costa Rica. 532 00:37:09,686 --> 00:37:13,016 Then, Ernesto Fonseca realized 533 00:37:13,106 --> 00:37:15,356 he was going down, too. 534 00:37:15,442 --> 00:37:20,282 He would call the DFS, but they all ignored him. 535 00:37:20,364 --> 00:37:22,744 Nobody answered him. 536 00:37:28,622 --> 00:37:31,502 GODOY: Fonseca was very drunk. 537 00:37:31,583 --> 00:37:35,303 He was alone in his bedroom, 538 00:37:35,379 --> 00:37:38,759 listening to one tape over and over, 539 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,590 a cassette tape. 540 00:37:43,178 --> 00:37:46,098 He listened to the tape again and again. 541 00:37:46,181 --> 00:37:48,561 On it I heard strange grunts. 542 00:37:50,310 --> 00:37:53,110 "Enough. Leave me. 543 00:37:53,188 --> 00:37:55,148 Don't torture me anymore." 544 00:37:55,232 --> 00:37:56,442 "Hey" (with Cuban accent). 545 00:37:56,525 --> 00:37:59,025 And I heard another voice, 546 00:37:59,111 --> 00:38:01,741 Caribbean, like Cuban. 547 00:38:01,822 --> 00:38:05,332 "Hey, brother, you have to tell us what you did. 548 00:38:05,409 --> 00:38:07,619 What did you report to Washington?" 549 00:38:07,703 --> 00:38:09,373 "Nothing, I didn't report anything. 550 00:38:09,454 --> 00:38:11,504 "I didn't get any money. 551 00:38:11,581 --> 00:38:14,421 Let me go, please. Don't torture me anymore." 552 00:38:14,501 --> 00:38:18,421 "What the fuck, you have to tell us, bastard! 553 00:38:18,505 --> 00:38:20,505 Who are you reporting to in Washington?" 554 00:38:21,883 --> 00:38:23,263 "To no one. 555 00:38:23,343 --> 00:38:26,303 "I didn't report to nobody. 556 00:38:26,388 --> 00:38:28,468 No one." 557 00:38:28,557 --> 00:38:33,267 LOPEZ: When Fonseca was listening to the tape in his bedroom, 558 00:38:33,353 --> 00:38:37,193 I heard the voice of the Governor of Jalisco, 559 00:38:37,274 --> 00:38:40,364 also the voice of a federal comandante. 560 00:38:40,444 --> 00:38:42,654 You could hear those voices. 561 00:38:42,738 --> 00:38:45,278 INTERVIEWER: But why was he listening to the recording? 562 00:38:46,616 --> 00:38:48,286 GODOY: He wouldn't stop listening to it 563 00:38:48,368 --> 00:38:50,288 because Don Ernesto knew 564 00:38:50,370 --> 00:38:54,000 he was doomed, that they would follow us 565 00:38:54,082 --> 00:38:55,712 to the end of the earth. 566 00:39:12,392 --> 00:39:14,902 The sun was setting... 567 00:39:14,978 --> 00:39:18,608 the night was approaching... 568 00:39:18,690 --> 00:39:20,730 They surrounded us, 569 00:39:20,817 --> 00:39:22,567 lots of manpower. 570 00:39:22,652 --> 00:39:25,112 I was told, "Surrender your badge." 571 00:39:25,197 --> 00:39:28,447 I said, "No fucking way, you come and get me." 572 00:39:28,533 --> 00:39:31,083 "Come out with your hands up!" 573 00:39:31,161 --> 00:39:33,911 yelled the rural cop in charge of the raid. 574 00:39:33,997 --> 00:39:37,457 And then the shooting began. 575 00:39:37,542 --> 00:39:40,672 Against the soldiers, and the rural cops. 576 00:39:40,754 --> 00:39:43,224 We were being careful to not hit our partners, 577 00:39:43,298 --> 00:39:46,008 who they were using as human shields. 578 00:39:46,093 --> 00:39:49,643 Ernesto Fonseca was coming down the stairs, 579 00:39:49,721 --> 00:39:51,971 and I told him, "Hey boss, 580 00:39:52,057 --> 00:39:54,307 the armored cars are over there, let's use them. 581 00:39:54,392 --> 00:39:56,192 Let's go!" 582 00:39:56,269 --> 00:39:59,519 "No, no, wait. I'll fix this right now," Fonseca said. 583 00:39:59,606 --> 00:40:02,526 And Fonseca said, "Don't shoot. 584 00:40:02,609 --> 00:40:04,739 "Don't shoot, everything's arranged. 585 00:40:04,820 --> 00:40:05,860 We'll surrender." 586 00:40:05,946 --> 00:40:08,236 "What are you saying, sir? 587 00:40:08,323 --> 00:40:10,833 Are we turning ourselves in?" 588 00:40:10,909 --> 00:40:12,909 "Yes, everything's arranged." 589 00:40:16,957 --> 00:40:20,377 I was walking behind Fonseca, and I stopped abruptly, 590 00:40:20,460 --> 00:40:22,340 because Samuel yanked me back. 591 00:40:22,420 --> 00:40:24,840 That's what saved me. 592 00:40:29,386 --> 00:40:30,966 And I told Godoy, "Let's fucking run, Godoy." 593 00:40:31,054 --> 00:40:32,854 "No, wait, let's see what happens." 594 00:40:32,931 --> 00:40:34,931 "Dude, they're gonna cuff your ass. 595 00:40:35,016 --> 00:40:37,096 Let's get the hell out of here." 596 00:40:37,185 --> 00:40:38,845 "No, no," he said. 597 00:40:38,937 --> 00:40:42,437 And I said, "Well, I'm out of here." 598 00:40:45,110 --> 00:40:50,030 Then, Don Ernesto Fonseca and I were handcuffed. 599 00:40:50,115 --> 00:40:53,405 Handcuffed to each other. 600 00:40:53,493 --> 00:40:58,373 I had my AR-15 and my .45. 601 00:40:58,456 --> 00:41:00,126 If they followed me, 602 00:41:00,208 --> 00:41:03,128 I was ready to shoot the fuck out of them. 603 00:41:03,211 --> 00:41:05,461 And I escaped to the beach. 604 00:41:05,547 --> 00:41:08,217 The beach was right in front of me. 605 00:41:12,053 --> 00:41:15,313 It was already beginning to get dark. 606 00:41:16,433 --> 00:41:19,693 When I got to the beach, 607 00:41:19,769 --> 00:41:23,479 I dug a hole in the sand and hid the weapons. 608 00:41:24,858 --> 00:41:27,188 I can't tell you any more because 609 00:41:27,277 --> 00:41:30,947 I can't remember what happened that night, 610 00:41:31,031 --> 00:41:33,031 until the sun woke me up. 611 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:38,960 REPORTER: Mexican police have arrested the man 612 00:41:39,039 --> 00:41:41,829 they describe as the Godfather of Mexican drug smugglers, 613 00:41:41,917 --> 00:41:46,207 Ernesto Fonseca Carrillo, and his associates. 614 00:41:46,296 --> 00:41:48,586 Wearing borrowed sunglasses and a smile, 615 00:41:48,673 --> 00:41:51,763 crime boss Ernesto Fonseca was arraigned today in Mexican federal court. 616 00:41:51,843 --> 00:41:54,473 He is charged with kidnapping and murder in connection with 617 00:41:54,554 --> 00:41:56,854 the killing of U.S. Drug Agent Enrique Camarena. 618 00:41:56,932 --> 00:41:59,642 Also charged is one of his men, Samuel Ramirez. 619 00:41:59,726 --> 00:42:03,686 Fonseca and his gang were picked up Monday in Puerto Vallarta 620 00:42:03,772 --> 00:42:06,862 after a gun battle with Mexican authorities. 621 00:42:15,575 --> 00:42:18,115 GODOY: We were just fucking soldiers, 622 00:42:18,203 --> 00:42:20,293 pure slag, pure police waste, 623 00:42:20,372 --> 00:42:23,002 we were simply being used. 624 00:42:23,083 --> 00:42:26,423 We were 26 bastards. 625 00:42:58,952 --> 00:43:01,002 He had a Cuban accent. 626 00:43:01,079 --> 00:43:03,829 One time I even asked Samuel, 627 00:43:03,915 --> 00:43:06,995 "Who is this dude who looks Cuban?" 628 00:43:07,085 --> 00:43:08,875 "Well, he's also DFS." 629 00:43:08,962 --> 00:43:10,882 That's what he told me. 630 00:43:10,964 --> 00:43:13,804 LIRA: Max Gomez, yes, Max Gomez. 631 00:43:13,883 --> 00:43:16,183 GODOY: I saw him at some of the safe houses, 632 00:43:16,261 --> 00:43:18,851 taking bags of money, 633 00:43:18,930 --> 00:43:21,270 of narco dollars. 634 00:43:21,349 --> 00:43:23,309 And I kept wondering, what's a Cuban doing 635 00:43:23,393 --> 00:43:26,563 running around with all these Mexicans and stuff? 636 00:43:26,646 --> 00:43:29,566 And I'm being told that he's there interrogating Kiki Camarena. 637 00:43:29,649 --> 00:43:35,319 Who is this... this unknown Max Gomez? 638 00:43:35,405 --> 00:43:37,195 LIRA: Yes, Max Gomez. 639 00:43:37,282 --> 00:43:42,202 He tried to hide under 640 00:43:42,287 --> 00:43:43,957 a pseudonym, 641 00:43:44,039 --> 00:43:46,669 but later on, we learned his real name. 642 00:43:46,750 --> 00:43:49,170 Felix Rodriguez. 643 00:43:49,252 --> 00:43:52,092 Right away, I go to all my people 644 00:43:52,172 --> 00:43:53,672 and I says, "Run this guy all over." 645 00:43:55,842 --> 00:43:57,762 And he lit up like a Christmas tree. 646 00:43:57,844 --> 00:44:01,144 I mean, this guy is all over the place. 647 00:44:01,222 --> 00:44:04,022 This guy is CIA.